The thing about DARVO and Projection that astounds me is that it shows a serious flaw in the minds of the masses who venerate the dark ideology of “successful” sociopaths.
It appears to me that you are describing Dersh’s persecutory delusion and shared psychosis (DSM-IV). Hopefully, the next version of the DSM will bring back an entry for delusions caused by trauma and reenactment narratives.
Dershowitz, Trump, and the high conflict people (males and females) in family court are not acting. They present as who they really are and they find allies in the “mental health providers” currently exploiting the situation (absence of competency).
I "hearted" again, with thanks. These DARVO people are also a reflection of the Dark Side of marketing, which can fool so many people. Dr. Lee's voice must continue to be heard to counter this awful situation. A key sentence is the following: "In doing so, the offender can not only absolve himself of his own guilt, but control and persecute his opponent as an embodiment of his 'crimes'." Everybody needs some sense of personal control. I think that a having a healthy sense of it is through consensus or sharing (the democratic process). The Trump and Dershowitz types want it through domination. Trump himself has plainly stated how he values both conflict and domination, especially with his declaration against the Black Lives Matter protests, "Dominate!" Such is the danger everyone faces with this primitive behavior, so we must continue to vote overwhelmingly for candidates with integrity and for the common good (that is, basically for non-Republican ones).
Wow...I had never heard of DARVO. But, it's a perfect description. Ruth Ben Ghiat always points out that Trump is the master class of this process in everything he does. I will copy this link to her LUCID meeting today. Thanks Dr. Lee.
I’ve never been a fan of “Dersh”. His narcissism seeped out many years ago when he would take high profile cases of the most vile clients from Von Bulow ( sp?) to OJ to Trump to his impaired perception that people would like to view him nude on the beaches at Martha’s Vineyard. He’s all ego and Harvard can have him, especially his emeritus pile of crap. Hopefully he and his sexual predator friend will not be of this world much longer. The abuse these two perpetuated on the women and girls procured by Epstein illustrates their baseness. And also illustrates how money and political influence can allow these behaviors to go on. Hopefully Dr Lee and others will make it possible that justice will finally be served. At the very least the behavior better exposed to the public.
An episode of CSI had this nice nugget about sociopathic defenses:
1. Admit nothing.
2. Deny everything.
3. Make counteraccusations.
To this I add:
4. Never apologize. Make it the other person’s fault, always.
5. Continue to do bad things.
These are all themes of abusive power - attempts to gaslight and control the narrative. A powerful person insisting on their own point of view that derides the rights of others is clearly off their rocker - yet it's kind of what abusive power does. How do we develop restraints on tendencies to abusive power? We are clearly being pushed over the limit. I talk about abusive power, megalomania, and different forms of power in my talk, linked at the end of this article. (On YouTube, called "Treating America's #1 Addiction: Abusive Power")
Dershowitz also uses DARVO in his unconditional support for the actions and policies of the Israeli government and IDF. Indeed, Israel's "hasbara" propaganda program uses DARVO whenever any person, organization, or nation-state holds Israel accountable for its flagrant longstanding violations of international law and UN resolutions.
Israeli spokespersons relentlessly tell outrageous lies, like "IDF takes extraordinary steps to protect Palestinian civilians from harm." They expect us to believe their lies despite mountains of contrary evidence that we see with our own eyes every single day.
Dr. Lee, can you and your colleagues warn the public about the danger of Israel's war crimes and DARVO propaganda as you have warned us of the danger of Trump and his lies?
Dr Lee, i don't have anything to add on Dersch. My only question is how he & people like him are allowed to rise in Academia & Politics. How such toxic & repulsive people gain influence, popularity and power? Why the Professors, intellectuals, philosophers etc do not confront and weed out these scoundrels? Or is it the fact that malignant normality is now so deeply penetrated into political & academic institutions?
When Dersch spews his nonsense in media & political circles, average citizen don't have the capacity to measure his lies. But his fellow professors and thinkers surely know that he is spreading destructive lies. Why they remain silent?
I would also like to introduce you to another highly toxic and destructive "intellectual" - He is Lawrence Summers. One of the modern architect of reactionary Economics field that destroyed & subverted the field. He's among the Guru of public policies that created mass poverty, unemployment, planetary destruction, social anarchy and breeding ground of Dictators.
QUESTION? Could the release of this "Epstein Names List" be the epic beginning of a "Sexual Abuse Reckoning" in our Society? The "Dersh Devil" & other Sociopaths on the list of sexual abusers, rapists & pedophiles have an unlimited vat of arrogance & grandiosity so Dersh Devil will just keep doing DARVO & escape accountability. And who is going to be "shocked" that grown-ass men in power take disgusting, heinous sexual advantage of vulnerable teen girls/young women & sexually abuse them? The Toxic Patriarchy not only condones sexual abuse in society, but tries to "normalize" it! And the United States local governments practices it! Why do the "prostitutes" get arrested and NOT the "Johns?" Why are sexually abused women called "Sex Workers" when that's a clear oxymoron; it's sole intent to "normalize" the sexual abuse of desperate, vulnerable women? Why are kids being handed over to their sexually abusive fathers in Family Court in spite of evidence of sexual abuse? Maybe this Epstein List will be the "Sexual Reckoning" in our Society because, contrary to what the Toxic Sexually Abusive Men tell Society... Little girls DO NOT grow up & "aspire" to become Hookers; Prostitutes, Porn "Stars" or Escorts! Let the FLOODGATES TO HELL OPEN FOR ALL SEXUAL ABUSERS, INCLUDING THE "DERSH DEVIL!" (And have the psychiatric researchers use them as lab rats while in prison to finally put an end to sexual violence & sexual abuse once & for all!)
Quit holding back! Tell us what you really think :-) it's always satisfying to me to hear somebody who knows what the heck they're talking about inform me of an area of their expertise. Thank you so much for offering your energy and talents to a much needed and I'm sure personally difficult cause! When my friends and family despair that we are slipping into a dystopian future that they have no control over, I challenge them to become informed by listening to experts and then spread the word, donate to a cause join a local political action group etc etc
Yes, he sounds like a classic, controlling, dangerous pedo sexual abuser, who continues to exploit his power and privilege, attacks perceived threats, and targets the vulnerable. I first heard of DARVO in the news when it was implemented by Johnny Depp's team against Amber Heard and it's a prevalent tactic. Given that the legal definition of insanity requires him not to know that his actions are wrong or illegal, does he know that what he is doing is wrong? I'm guessing yes because he denies and obfuscates. His enablers also need to be held accountable.
Thank you for speaking up and doing your duty as a mental health expert and human being. I’ve seen DARVO used in work places including university settings. The way so called behavioral health is handled is unhealthy. It’s like Nurse Ratchet from ONE FLEW OVER THE CUKOO’S NEST” was in charge of HR.
The thing about DARVO and Projection that astounds me is that it shows a serious flaw in the minds of the masses who venerate the dark ideology of “successful” sociopaths.
It appears to me that you are describing Dersh’s persecutory delusion and shared psychosis (DSM-IV). Hopefully, the next version of the DSM will bring back an entry for delusions caused by trauma and reenactment narratives.
Dershowitz, Trump, and the high conflict people (males and females) in family court are not acting. They present as who they really are and they find allies in the “mental health providers” currently exploiting the situation (absence of competency).
That's pathology.
I "hearted" again, with thanks. These DARVO people are also a reflection of the Dark Side of marketing, which can fool so many people. Dr. Lee's voice must continue to be heard to counter this awful situation. A key sentence is the following: "In doing so, the offender can not only absolve himself of his own guilt, but control and persecute his opponent as an embodiment of his 'crimes'." Everybody needs some sense of personal control. I think that a having a healthy sense of it is through consensus or sharing (the democratic process). The Trump and Dershowitz types want it through domination. Trump himself has plainly stated how he values both conflict and domination, especially with his declaration against the Black Lives Matter protests, "Dominate!" Such is the danger everyone faces with this primitive behavior, so we must continue to vote overwhelmingly for candidates with integrity and for the common good (that is, basically for non-Republican ones).
Wow...I had never heard of DARVO. But, it's a perfect description. Ruth Ben Ghiat always points out that Trump is the master class of this process in everything he does. I will copy this link to her LUCID meeting today. Thanks Dr. Lee.
Thank you Bandy for your thorough and thoughtful response to a very sick person. This Dersh fellow is dangerous.
I’ve never been a fan of “Dersh”. His narcissism seeped out many years ago when he would take high profile cases of the most vile clients from Von Bulow ( sp?) to OJ to Trump to his impaired perception that people would like to view him nude on the beaches at Martha’s Vineyard. He’s all ego and Harvard can have him, especially his emeritus pile of crap. Hopefully he and his sexual predator friend will not be of this world much longer. The abuse these two perpetuated on the women and girls procured by Epstein illustrates their baseness. And also illustrates how money and political influence can allow these behaviors to go on. Hopefully Dr Lee and others will make it possible that justice will finally be served. At the very least the behavior better exposed to the public.
Exposed in public, indeed! 🤣
An episode of CSI had this nice nugget about sociopathic defenses:
1. Admit nothing.
2. Deny everything.
3. Make counteraccusations.
To this I add:
4. Never apologize. Make it the other person’s fault, always.
5. Continue to do bad things.
These are all themes of abusive power - attempts to gaslight and control the narrative. A powerful person insisting on their own point of view that derides the rights of others is clearly off their rocker - yet it's kind of what abusive power does. How do we develop restraints on tendencies to abusive power? We are clearly being pushed over the limit. I talk about abusive power, megalomania, and different forms of power in my talk, linked at the end of this article. (On YouTube, called "Treating America's #1 Addiction: Abusive Power")
MOSF 18.11: Abusive Power and Megalomania Perpetuate Racial, Cultural, Transhistorical, & Intergenerational Trauma (Part 2) https://eastwindezine.com/mosf-18-11-abusive-power-and-megalomania-perpetuate-racial-cultural-transhistorical-intergenerational-trauma-part-2/
Dershowitz also uses DARVO in his unconditional support for the actions and policies of the Israeli government and IDF. Indeed, Israel's "hasbara" propaganda program uses DARVO whenever any person, organization, or nation-state holds Israel accountable for its flagrant longstanding violations of international law and UN resolutions.
Israeli spokespersons relentlessly tell outrageous lies, like "IDF takes extraordinary steps to protect Palestinian civilians from harm." They expect us to believe their lies despite mountains of contrary evidence that we see with our own eyes every single day.
Dr. Lee, can you and your colleagues warn the public about the danger of Israel's war crimes and DARVO propaganda as you have warned us of the danger of Trump and his lies?
Dr Lee, i don't have anything to add on Dersch. My only question is how he & people like him are allowed to rise in Academia & Politics. How such toxic & repulsive people gain influence, popularity and power? Why the Professors, intellectuals, philosophers etc do not confront and weed out these scoundrels? Or is it the fact that malignant normality is now so deeply penetrated into political & academic institutions?
When Dersch spews his nonsense in media & political circles, average citizen don't have the capacity to measure his lies. But his fellow professors and thinkers surely know that he is spreading destructive lies. Why they remain silent?
I would also like to introduce you to another highly toxic and destructive "intellectual" - He is Lawrence Summers. One of the modern architect of reactionary Economics field that destroyed & subverted the field. He's among the Guru of public policies that created mass poverty, unemployment, planetary destruction, social anarchy and breeding ground of Dictators.
QUESTION? Could the release of this "Epstein Names List" be the epic beginning of a "Sexual Abuse Reckoning" in our Society? The "Dersh Devil" & other Sociopaths on the list of sexual abusers, rapists & pedophiles have an unlimited vat of arrogance & grandiosity so Dersh Devil will just keep doing DARVO & escape accountability. And who is going to be "shocked" that grown-ass men in power take disgusting, heinous sexual advantage of vulnerable teen girls/young women & sexually abuse them? The Toxic Patriarchy not only condones sexual abuse in society, but tries to "normalize" it! And the United States local governments practices it! Why do the "prostitutes" get arrested and NOT the "Johns?" Why are sexually abused women called "Sex Workers" when that's a clear oxymoron; it's sole intent to "normalize" the sexual abuse of desperate, vulnerable women? Why are kids being handed over to their sexually abusive fathers in Family Court in spite of evidence of sexual abuse? Maybe this Epstein List will be the "Sexual Reckoning" in our Society because, contrary to what the Toxic Sexually Abusive Men tell Society... Little girls DO NOT grow up & "aspire" to become Hookers; Prostitutes, Porn "Stars" or Escorts! Let the FLOODGATES TO HELL OPEN FOR ALL SEXUAL ABUSERS, INCLUDING THE "DERSH DEVIL!" (And have the psychiatric researchers use them as lab rats while in prison to finally put an end to sexual violence & sexual abuse once & for all!)
Thank you Bandy for your thorough and thoughtful response to a very sick person. This Dersh fellow is dangerous.
Quit holding back! Tell us what you really think :-) it's always satisfying to me to hear somebody who knows what the heck they're talking about inform me of an area of their expertise. Thank you so much for offering your energy and talents to a much needed and I'm sure personally difficult cause! When my friends and family despair that we are slipping into a dystopian future that they have no control over, I challenge them to become informed by listening to experts and then spread the word, donate to a cause join a local political action group etc etc
Yes, he sounds like a classic, controlling, dangerous pedo sexual abuser, who continues to exploit his power and privilege, attacks perceived threats, and targets the vulnerable. I first heard of DARVO in the news when it was implemented by Johnny Depp's team against Amber Heard and it's a prevalent tactic. Given that the legal definition of insanity requires him not to know that his actions are wrong or illegal, does he know that what he is doing is wrong? I'm guessing yes because he denies and obfuscates. His enablers also need to be held accountable.
Thank you for speaking up and doing your duty as a mental health expert and human being. I’ve seen DARVO used in work places including university settings. The way so called behavioral health is handled is unhealthy. It’s like Nurse Ratchet from ONE FLEW OVER THE CUKOO’S NEST” was in charge of HR.